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TiredBlackMan Masquarading as a real Black Man

As much as I hate to give terrible sites free internet pub, I have got to share this outrage with other black community sites to put them on notice.  Tim alexander, the founder and creator of Diary of a Tired Black Man created this divisive and digracefully insulting film and even website defiling and utter disrespecting our black women.  I won’t stand for it.

As a people we have no right to blatantly disrespect each other simply because we’ve had bad relationships.  We have much bigger ills to cure in our culture/society and to know that a black man is out there condoning sellout, hateful bruhs who forsake their responsibility as men is about as disgraceful as one can get.

As a black man, this site cuts me to the core as his community is full of hatred against our beautiful black women.  Please don’t let this brotha’s antics go unnoticed and unchallenged.

visit the cesspool here.

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I've learned in the context of life that we all have our own opinions. Those people on the site are entitled to their opinions. People have bad experiences with anyone so I as a women don't take offense to what they have posted. I have plenty of friends that have interracial relationships. All black women are not bad, nor are women of other races all good. I feel this way if you limit yourself based on color you are closed minded but that's just my opinion. I've dated men of other races and I don't think any one is any better than any other. There may be some black women out there with emotional problems, and they need to deal with them but... black women in general are not bad at being women. That's just a generalization and a stereotype. But hey to each his own, those folks are entitled to their opinion and personally I don't care and I'm a women. I watched the short video teaser of this about a year ago. I thought that it was just a short independent video describing the often over discussed issues of interracial relationships.

For one, I'm tired of this discussion because noone passionately involved in the discussion seems to want to open their minds about this issue.

There is no reason to prejudge an entire class of people.

I hate to hear it when someone says that they hate all (insert skin color, sexual orientation, political orientation, religion, or gender here) because the person who said it is usually too stupid to intelligently discuss the issue.

I've got family and friends that, if combined, would hate every class of people on earth.

So, back to this tired "Black" man... It is a terrible premise for a movie and a worst premise for intelligent thought.

All (insert skin color, sexual orientation, political orientation, religion, or gender here) aren't bad just because you had a terrible relationship with one, or many, of them. If you continue to think they are, then perhaps Katt Williams has the perfect description for you.

I'll butcher his quote to make it more appropriate, "...You need to get to the bottom of why you attract crappy people in your life, it could be because you got some crappy personality" I 100% disagree. After checking it out this seems like a good site for Black Men to dialogue with each other and discuss relationship issues that most agree with. Black women have their many novels, magazine articles, documentaries, and films showing their "Tired black women" stance when it comes to black men. I'm glad you posted this because it's just the type of site I was looking for. What issues do most men agree with?

Most thinking men would agree that the issue isn't about being a tired Black man, but rather the pervasive pressures through our self-absorbed media fascination that leads us to be promiscuous and morally bankrupt.

It isn't about women, it is about the poor choices we allow ourselves to get caught up in.

All I am saying is that once we loose ourselves from the habit of agreeing with the stereotypes of ourselves and our women, we can get to the real issues that dog us daily. Most of the conversations I've read there are based on old, tired, stupid, stereotyped models of bad relationships. The reason I am reporting this site to every thoughtful and respectful black site I know is because this site is a pathetic cesspool where the inferior prey on their own culture. Start reading the posts, and there's not doubt or room for twisting of the facts.

To put out a book or a respectful movies is one thing; but continually misinform, stereotype and utter the most vile of insults agains my people, to me is quite another.

Any black person that sees that site in a positive light, is undoubtedly part of the problem and not the solution.

There are far better and more respectful ways to open debate and invoke positive change - That is if that is really the intention of such a filmmaker/forum. The evidence show's their intentions to be quite different.

Good posts and a lot of sensible and respectful comments here. Thank you for calling that site out for what it actually is. I went there hoping to learn what black men think about black women. What I found there was nothing but hate. Any woman posting there that does not agree with their women are evil attitude is immediatley shut down with profanity and belittling. There are even some on the site that condone the use of physical violence against black women. I stopped posting there because reading those words of hate made me not want to date black men anymore. I haven't given up hope of finding a good black man, but there are very few over there. Like the name of the forum, most of them are just plain tired. who has been to blacktown.net?

those are the true "strong black men!!!" I went to blacktown, but I can't stay there because every page has music automatically playing. I found the music too annoying to stay around and read much of the site.

There are definitely some strong opinions there. Thanks for sticking up for us Tim Alexander created that movie and site to whip black men into a frenzy of hate towards black women. He won't have good luck with this project because it's drenched in too much hate. Hopefully his 15 minutes will be up soon. Pre-judging?!

-Anyone here see the movie?
Jade?

Sonia, care to know what Dblack stuck up for or U just prefer 2 leave your thinking 2 others.

_the use of physical violence against women?

Please. post facts.

Dblack, scary spin dog. SCARY!
dont run away and lie next time. Just so we all know what is being discussed here. I'll post the story as reported on NPR last year.

" A clip from the upcoming film Diary of a Tired Black Man is generating a great deal of buzz in the African-American community. The scene features a man arriving at the house of his former spouse with a new partner: a white woman.

The clip has been e-mailed around the country and featured on blogs and on nationally syndicated, black-oriented radio shows. It has sparked a heated debate over the many issues it raises, from interracial dating to whether many black women are simply "too angry" to be datable.

The clip is just three-and-a-half minutes long. But it's still enough to leave many viewers waving their hands in the air — either in agreement or frustration.

Provoking Viewers

The clip begins with an attractive black woman sitting with three friends, watching her ex-husband pull into her driveway with a white woman at his side. The women castigate the ex-husband, James, as a "weak punk" who has chosen to date outside the race rather than handle what they call a strong black woman. James blames the women for their inability to find, much less keep, a decent black man at their side — because of their penchant for drama.

First-time filmmaker Tim Alexander, who enjoys being provocative, says there's a disease out there that he calls the "angry black woman syndrome." He says it must be identified, diagnosed and treated.

Alexander believes African-American women who grew up in fatherless homes, hearing their aunts and grandmothers saying black men are no good — and hearing that opinion reinforced in the media — are now angry adult women.

"They grow up, deal with the wrong men, finally meet the right guy and don't know how to turn it off," Alexander says. "They are so used to fighting; it's the only way they know to have a relationship. So when a man is a good man, they think he's a punk."

Rekindling an Old Debate

Alexander's movie scene revives a sometimes rancorous debate that has been going on in the African-American community for decades: Why can't black men and women deal with each other in a positive way? And what does that mean for the future of the black family?

It is a burning question for many, including the callers that flooded the phone lines during Alexander's recent appearances on nationally syndicated black radio shows. When Alexander appeared on Rev. Al Sharpton's show, Keeping It Real, one female caller argued that black women's anger "generally starts from the man." A male caller countered: "When we come home, we don't need that loud-mouthed, self-sufficient, independent macho woman disagreeing with everything we say. We need kind women."

Bleak Messages About Black Relationships

African-Americans have been bombarded in recent months with negative messages about the outlook for black couples. The Washington Post fronted a weekend "Outlook" section with the headline "Marriage Is for White People," and there are many books with titles such as Black and Single. The Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies in Washington says the percentage of black women who've never married has more than doubled between 1950 and 2004.

"If you internalize that, you will enter a relationship where you are doing everything or putting up with anything just to have someone," says LaDawn Black, a Baltimore-based author and radio host. Her show deals with relationships between black men and women. She says things aren't as bad out there as one might think.

"Don't believe it," Black says, "because if you look around, you have friends having successful relationships."

UCLA professor and sex therapist Gail Wyatt agrees. She says African-American men and women have to stop allowing outdated concepts -– and media-driven angst -– to divide them.

"Our strength is in our ability to stand together," Wyatt says. "I don't care if a black man marries a black woman or not. I care if we support each other and don't buy into myths that make us look like and live like stereotypes."

There's no quick fix for the issues between African-American men and women, Wyatt says, but she believes they can be solved. Filmmaker Tim Alexander says he hopes his movie sparks a discussion that can bring some change and healing to the black community." It just seems to me that all films that choose to use "Black" in the title as a focal point towards the characters are guilty of blaxploitation.

Whether or not the movie is bad or good, the underlying issue of rampant overgeneralization is trifling.

Once you get caught up in believing and promoting the opinion that all of one type of person is totally one way or the other, you are being weak-minded.

If one is determined to judge others, those others should be judged individually. Black men will use any excuse to cover their all consuming desires for nonblack women. If nirvana is right around the corner why not just leave. Instead of leaving they are burning all bridges and using scorched earth tactics...and it working because it's killing something vital that she should have for black men. Tim has gone out of his way to import white men and women to his site for the express purpose of further denigrating and belittling Black women and that is UNFORGIVABLE! I know he's almost singlehandedly causing Black women to lose all feelings for Black men watching that feeding frenzy. I doubt if we'll ever look at them the same. I know I won't. It's unfortunate there are many "men" left in our community. Whether he knows this or not...Black men will never be respected as long as they do not understand the damage they do dishonoring Black women. A day will come when no one on the planet can blame us for returning the favors. Jade, that's precisely the type of ignorant thinking and speaking aloud that I have been talking about.

Why would you, in your first sentence, make such a stupid remark about what Black men will do?

Do you know all Black men?

Please think before you soil the world of public discourse with your overtly negative statements again.

I'll give you an opportunity to correct your statement with a post explaining your mistake.

I'd also appreciate other readers to comment on Jade's statements after the retraction/correction has been made.

All the best,
SPN You see exactly what I'm talking about. Once again, I am called names. What a shame that that is the best you have to offer, yet you claim manhood. Your words and insults only further make a mockery of yourself. I've seen the plethora of insults now on that site, and frankly, I take them all as a compliment coming from such 'males'.

Again, the forum speaks for itself. Which is why Tim Alexander chose not to come to my site (only to lurk), when invited to discuss his film with a black community.

For those who don't condone this type of divisive and trifling sub-adult conduct, we should challenge it and inform other brothas and sistas about such sites that seek to pull us back rather than move us forward. Those are not men on that site. I see them as pathetic losers for the most part. I plan on assisting in the effort to keep viewership extremely low for that garbage being floated as a "healing" movie. Yeah, right. If bm want to empower ww then so be it. Maybe they'll go away now. I think the trailor gives a fair assessment of how those men who are in similar situations feel. I had a discussion with a female recently explaining why some men chose white women. I don't think it is that they chose white women, I think they chose to broaden their scope. Widen the range of types of women they chose from. I also explained that there is a breakdown in black relationships. The resolution appears to be communication and accountability on both ends. With that being said, black women and men need to stop acting like it is the others fault that relationships fall apart. Take a look in the mirror. in regards to the film, do black women see that their behavior may play a part? in regards to the film, do black women see that their behavior may play a part?



^^^Nope.Its all the black mans fault.Nevermind the thug lovin',all black men aint shit,arguementative,all about me attitude alot (most) black women have. I’ve grown so tired of this so I’m hoping the people who are posting regarding this subject read my post which is here not as a comment but hoping to put an END to this discussion.

You know, I have been reading off and on the diatribe regarding the plight of the black man and black women. As the first person to comment on the post from DBlack I will say this. I don’t think it’s all the black woman’s fault or black man’s fault for the breakdown in the relationship and how the relationship evolves. I believe it is on both parts. Lack of communication is the biggest breakdown in any relationship (along with finances). Most professional women I know don’t have the argumentative (see the spelling tired black man) all about me attitude. They are just looking for someone they can share their life with that brings as much to the table as they do.

The problem steps in when a woman tries to communicate her feelings and her mate doesn’t take the time to listen or vice versa. It’s all about communication. I saw the clip and read some where on here in a post that it’s because the women are raised without fathers and constantly told that black men aren’t anything, can’t be trusted, etc.

I know that not to be true again that is a generalization. I come from a single parent home and I myself do not hate black men, nor do I belittle them. None of my friends have never expressed a dislike for black men. I’ve not heard anyone else in my family expound on how black men are horrible. So again that is a generalization. Just because you run up on a few bad apples does not mean you should burn down the orchard.

Why can’t people respect one another and their thoughts and ideals? Yes there are some women out there that can not stand for a black man to date a white woman. That is their issue and they will have to deal with it but to say that ALL Black women are this way is hypocrisy because there are just as many black men out there that don’t want to see a black woman with a man of another race. Truth be told, who cares who anyone is with, it is your choice who you or anyone else has a relationship with or date.

This is the same tired argument that has been going on for some time. If you don’t want angry women, then stop dating them! A man knows if a women is the one he wants to be with after 1 or 2 dates so if they are not the one, move on then and don’t dwell on whatever hang ups that person has. Why dedicate a site to such mindless dribble as this. No one is perfect, I nor anyone else has ran across a man or woman yet that doesn’t have their own skeletons in their closet and flaws in abundance.

There are problems with every race. No woman of any race is perfect. I’ve seen and heard other women of other races be angry as well with men no matter the race. It all comes down to what you want out of life. Be happy, move on if the person is not for you and stop perpetuating a cycle with the past mistakes of others. Learn from others mistakes as well as your own and drop this topic it’s old and does not need to continue to be rehashed because it only brings out the ignorance in those who are self loathing. That’s the only thing I can see for all of the comments on the site. The site is a person’s opinion which has manifested itself into an argument that has been going on for quite some time. I believe that’s what its purpose was and it has accomplished that. Those that are offended feel the need to speak up and out against it and I commend those who speak intelligently regarding this subject.

There are many that are offended and on some level I can understand that but I also know that the creator of this drama has to be small minded to think that all black women are alike when he couldn’t possibly know that because he has dated all of them. Neither has all the posters on the site who have so much to say. Again this is a tiring subject and to be quite honest there are other more important things that we can be discussing instead of someone else’s opinion of a race of women that has no validity. Now let’s give it a rest. No one should have to keep going over something that should be COMMON SENSE!

We have homelessness, child abuse, sexual predators, crime, murders, disappearances happening everyday in our own back yards as well as issues abroad. Why not concentrate on something that has more substance and meaning? Glad to see intelligent and respectful brothas and sistas are coming out to speak on the subject.

I now have a sone of 7 months, and I'll make sure he wants nothing to do with fraudulent black males impersonating manhood. My son will respect himself and the black queen.

Too bad the men on that site never received such upbringing from their fathers. It is so easy to fall for the same lame discussions about why [insert other group here] are at fault for [insert issue here].

Wise adults know that ALL groups have faulty members that shouldn't be held as representatives of the group as a whole.

Some women have problems. ALL women don't.

Some men have problems. ALL men don't.

C'mon people, let's keep it real. What happened to the tiredblackman forum? I tried to click the link at:

http://www.castlestudio.net/tbm/forums/

but got an error message.

What's going on? The server that the site was hosted on was so tired of replying to requests so it decided to format itself. I tried again and it's STILL down. I can't believe Tim Alexander ran away like that. It is very hard for me to share this publicly, but the reason the forum has been coming and going randomly is I am in debt to the hosting company, and I have backed up payments I can no longer make myself. It is now in great jeopardy of being shut down completely. For this reason I am asking all of the real TBM members and supporters for your help.

Below is a link to a page where you can donate through PayPal:

https://www.paypal.com/

Click where it says "Send Money". After clicking it, enter my email address: - and it will go directly into my account.

Or

You may donate by buying DVD's at 24.95ea and putting a note not to send the DVD because this is a donation for the site. By adding more then one to the cart you can change the amount of your donation in $25.00 increments per DVD ordered. Example - 4 DVD's is almost $100.00. Please donate any amount.

You can do that here:

http://www.tiredblackman.com/main_2008_no_dvd.swf

Look at the bottom center of the page for the "Shop online - buy the DVD" link. You can pay with your credit or debit card by clicking on the word "continue" that is just above the credit card icons. You do not have to have a PayPal account to make your donation.

It is very hard for me to have to ask for this assistance but I have no choice at this time as I am faced with taking care of my family or keeping this site open. I need to do both. Things should be getting better soon, but until then please feel free to forward this request for assistance to anyone you feel may be interested in helping.

My goal once all fees are caught up, is to fully open the forum back up, but with a different attitude and a new direction of peaceful open dialogue between the men and women of the forum. All nasty fighting will not be tolerated from this point. We are working for peace and understanding between the sexes through understanding each others feelings and points of view.

Thank you so much for your understanding and support in my efforts, this will is a healthy place for all of us to grow together. If you have any questions you can call me at 818-623-0057.

Tim Alexander Wow, so we've been reduce to pandhandling? Given your level of membership, I simply assumed that the support you had was fierce and genuine.

Perhaps in an unexpected way, the black collective has rejected your 'mission' and theme.

I look forward to the day that you actually try and put out something that is truly art. Good luck Tim. It will be good to see the new site with the new attitude.

Hopefully the new forum attitude will dispense with the negative over generalizations that plagued your previous attempt. The comments here are proof as to why TBM fell hard. Tim Alexander actually TRIED to affect some kind of common ground, bringing the two sides together, deferring to the sisters. Look what happened, he let the WOMEN overrun the forum, he simped out the same way the OP is doing here, calling himself being the GREAT DEFENDER! And y'all STILL hold him in such great contempt. Please.

Black women, GENERALLY, which means let the shoe fit, have had carte blanche running down the Black man as weak, lazy, unable to meet HER level, etc. How many times have brothers who work hard, do the right thing, etc. have been told that we don't exist. That we're all in jail or gay. That we can't deal with a STRONNNNNNG, INDEPENDENT BLACK woman. Guess what? We've had it. We're moving on, finding happiness and companionship ELSEWHERE (many are rejecting ALL Amerikkan women be they Black OR WHITE). Black women, good luck to you, hopefully that 70% single rate (70-80% of which are single mothers) will stabilize by 2012 but only with the effort on YOUR part, not that we're holding our breath. Either way, go your own way, many of us are going OUR own way. We'll see who comes out on top. Peace. Bitter much? Actually the comments on this site are not proof as you so called it to why the TBM fell hard. This has been a discussion and opinions of individuals expressing themselves about the site however not with the vehemence that was being expressed on TBM. Most of the comments about TBM posted here on this site were well thought out articulate comments. As a matter of fact, there have only been a few and that is a very few that have had anything to say about the black man or black woman but in reality who cares who you decide to be involved with. I agree with the grim reaper it does sound as if you are bitter and again you are generalizing a race of women and guess what you don't know EVERY black woman so how can you say that GENERALLY which means let the shoe fit that black women have been running down the black man calling him weak, lazy, etc. Where have you been? And did you not thoroughly read the previous comments on the site.

I know many Black women and women of other races that don't say negative things about black men because in our world most of the black men we know are upstanding members of their community and doing what they need to do for themselves, their family etc.

As far as moving on is concerned please do so because I don't think any woman is going to want a man with so much bitterness in him. Whether a woman is single or a single mother has nothing to do with the topic at hand, some of those women can be single mothers due to divorce, or death of a spouse there could be any situation that led to the woman becoming a single parent but again the comment you made about it stabilizing by 2012 with effort on the woman's part was actually an asinine comment. Most statistics do not have much validity because it only encompasses a percentage of the population.

So please by all means go your own way. I'm sure single women everywhere will REJOICE knowing you are not in the market for an AMERICAN woman who doesn't want you due to your bitterness.

I WILL SAY THIS AGAIN IN THE EVENT YOU DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT THE FIRST TIME FROM MY EARLIER POST:

This is a tiring subject and to be quite honest there are other more important things that we can be discussing instead of beating a dead horse. How many times are we going to be subjected to this?

Why not concentrate on something that has more substance and meaning? Why is it that when black men speak the truth about black women they are called bitter yet when black women say unending negative comments about black men the same charge is leveled.

You call this man bitter? That is a clear example of lack of intellectual muscle on the part of the accusers. People who need to use shaming tactics in response to peoples assertions are demonstrating that they lack the brain power necessary to articulate effective arguments.

Shaming tactics are just pathetic plain and simple.

But you know what is most pathetic. The response by people who clearly haven't read that site much. Tim Alexander is the classic mangina/simp/weakling type that black women love because he caters to their whims and gives them a pass on all messed up things they do. He had a following of MEN who were ready to support him against all criticism yet you know what he did instead, he gave the women free reign while censoring the men. Why? Because for all my criticisms of Tim Alexander and the fact that my views are diametrically opposed to his that man TRULY believed black women were worth that investment and that risk. He defended them against all kinds of attacks and as a result of the fallout almost all of his male support evaporated except for a few manginas who thought they could get over by sideing with him.

So what happened to Tim? His site is basically dead and all the women whom he gave free reign to have not come forward to support him in his time of need. This is a man who gambled on the integrity of black women who talked the talk but in the end didn't walk the walk. This man defended black women even when backed down into a corner and now those same black women (and their simpish enablers) are calling him all kinds of names.

Tim Alexander should serve as a cautionary tale to all black men who make those kinds of investments in black women.

People like the original poster remind me very much of Tim. They think there are great rewards to be had by blindly defending women who are doing the wrong thing more often than not. God luck to you sir.

Me I am a single, disease free man with no children who is on a wonderful career track. When I find a mate I will be looking for a woman with similar traits and the single and disease free criteria will eliminate about 70% of all the AAW women out there. Frankly I do not intend to limit my choice of mates just because other people have been irresponsible in their lives.

I have learned very well the lesson that Tim Alexander's experience has shown. Everything on this site is someone's OPINION. People are entitled to discuss and provide their opinions on any topic because we do have the First Amendment "Freedom of Speech". So to state that someone's opinion is pathetic shows that you are looking at this from only one side. No one race/sex is the cause of all the problems place the blame where is lies on both; be it black, white, no matter.

When you find a mate I hope she is everything that you are looking for and I wish you much happiness in your quest.

Now can we put this to bed? I think this horse has been beaten enough. I said shaming tactics are pathetic. It was quite clear. And since you are one of the number using them you know it applies to you.

Hence your attempt to misrepresent things that were stated clearly.

Allow me to repeat:

"Shaming tactics are just pathetic plain and simple."

And that definitely includes calling men bitter because they voice their "OPINION".

Apparently some people are entitled to have "OPINIONS" while others aren't and thus it is acceptable to engage in ad hominem attacks against them.

I just love double standards. It doesn't apply to me, because I've not used shaming tactics but hey again if you think I have then obviously you are misreading all the posts I've put on this topic, I've voiced my opinion as so many others have done as you have done.

I personally could care less what anyone else does in their relationships as its not my concern. I've stated several times whom a person is with and for what reasons happens to be their own business.

To coin a phrase my grandmother used to use "a hit dog will holler every time" so if you feel that person was called bitter because they expressed their opinion then so be it, could just be that you were offended because you sympathize with the poster.

I can do this all day however I realize this discussion is definitely not worth my time and attention any more.

Thanks for your opinions. Stop being a hypocrite. If you respected a persons right to hold an opinion you wouldn't have attempted to dismiss that opinion by calling him bitter.

You couldn't handle the truth he was saying and you couldn't refute it either so you did the intellectually dishonest thing and attacked the poster instead. It is said that you get what you deserve.

I'll repost my response from waaay up top, "All (insert skin color, sexual orientation, political orientation, religion, or gender here) aren't bad just because you had a terrible relationship with one, or many, of them. If you continue to think they are, then perhaps Katt Williams has the perfect description for you.

I'll butcher his quote to make it more appropriate, "...You need to get to the bottom of why you attract crappy people in your life, it could be because you got some crappy personality""

Secondly or thirdly, deciding to dismiss an entire race of women solely because of your bad relationships is a bad move.

A good friend of mine that sometimes also posts on this site has had a series of seriously bad breakups. I asked him if the problem was with him or with the women he chose. He told me one thing that was common with those women. Each of the women in a relationship with him that ended badly was very experimental in the bedroom. I'm not saying that experimentation is bad for a relationship. I'm saying that his criteria for choosing a mate was potentially flawed because he focused on the physical instead of the spiritual.


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Truth follows. Don't continue reading if you are unprepared.

We are all flawed. Noone is perfect.

If you cannot take the time to accept the flaws within yourself before you completely dismiss another person (or group) and their flaws, then you don't deserve anyone within or without your race. "It is said that you get what you deserve."

I think that explains why so many black women are single.

"If you cannot take the time to accept the flaws within yourself before you completely dismiss another person (or group) and their flaws, then you don't deserve anyone within or without your race."

This is pure manginaistic nonsense posted by an obviously feminised man. Real men rarely use terms like "deserve" when talking about relationships. Thats the way women think and communicate because of the entitlement mentality rampant among modern American women.

Furthermore this is the same type of shaming language that is heard all the time from AAW. It doesn't have any effect anymore. Men are free to dismiss anyone they choose for any reason they choose.

People make choices in their best interest everyday and if a person believes that they more likely to face negativity that they are simply tired of facing if they deal with one type of woman then they will choose to look somewhere else. It doesn't matter how many "good black women " are out there, if the potential payoffs are outweighed by the potential pitfalls those men will go elsehwere.

That is what AAW and their mangina defenders simply can't grasp. A lot of black men are just simply tired of the attitude when dealing with AAW.

Its gotten tedious and many men like me are tired of it. I don't need to search through a mountain of substandard black women just so I can have one when there are pleasant women all around me of other backgrounds. Black men are not obligated to give every black woman they see a chance before considering other options. Black men are always pressured ny other black men to limit their options yet no one ever pressures black women to modify their behavior. Thats really down to cowardice on the part of some men who define their manhood based on a womans approval.

At the end of the day those men are enablers and are doing far more harm than good. "I think that explains why so many black women are single."

And it also explains why you are single.

"This is pure manginaistic nonsense posted by an obviously feminised man. Real men rarely use terms like "deserve" when talking about relationships. Thats the way women think and communicate because of the entitlement mentality rampant among modern American women."

The only thing obvious here is that you are that proverbial dog that's been hit and is now hollering. Real men aren't scared of little words like 'deserve'. Real men understand that he is in charge of his destiny and his relationship. When men that call themselves "real" stop acting and start being real they understand how to control themselves in a manner where REAL WOMEN with no drama find them attractive. Until then if you continue to cloud your mind with crap, you will attract crap. Real men have no problem finding real women. They attract each other naturally.

"Furthermore this is the same type of shaming language that is heard all the time from AAW. It doesn't have any effect anymore. Men are free to dismiss anyone they choose for any reason they choose."

Only those that behave shamefully are shamed by language from others. Dismiss away I say. Enjoy your solitude.

"People make choices in their best interest everyday and if a person believes that they more likely to face negativity that they are simply tired of facing if they deal with one type of woman then they will choose to look somewhere else."

Forgive me if I'm wrong but there is only one type of woman, female. If you don't like those then I wish you the best of luck finding an alternative.

"That is what AAW and their mangina defenders simply can't grasp. A lot of black men are just simply tired of the attitude when dealing with AAW."

You are correct when you say that, "A lot of black men are just simply tired..." A lot of Black men are also simply tired of hearing loud mouth boys crying because they haven't become men yet. Men typically handle their issues quietly and with dignity try to enlighten other open-minded young men to learn from their mistakes.

"Its gotten tedious and many men like me are tired of it. I don't need to search through a mountain of substandard black women just so I can have one when there are pleasant women all around me of other backgrounds. Black men are not obligated to give every black woman they see a chance before considering other options. ..."

I don't think anyone expects you to search through a mountain of women to find a good one. You'd really be searching your entire life. Don't go to the mountain for a woman. If you go to a mountain, all you will get are rocks. Go where good women spend their time. Search for quality instead of quantity and quality will result. Maybe Black women should limit their options and Black men should modify their behaviour? Will that make it better? The real world doesn't obide by easy rules or dogma. Get in where you fit in.

"At the end of the day those men are enablers and are doing far more harm than good."

All I hope to accomplish at the end of the day is to provide for my family. While I'm doing that I also hope to enable other young men and women to hold their heads high enough to see over the mountain of fraudulent women and fake men that loudly drown out the positive energy that Real men and Real women proudly hold quietly within.

Lastly, I'm sorry that you took my last post personally. I wasn't directing any of it at you nor even at AAW.

There ain't no such thing as perfection unless you understand that perfection ain't. Truly amazes me to listen to grown ahzz men generalize and rationalize their failures and inadequacies by blaming our black women.

Question for the TimAlexander Apologists:
If you believe so much in what he's doing, where's your financial contribution for support of his site? Or is it that you are quite another type of male; a man, only by genitals, but one that stands on no moral principle, reduced to nothing more than a venom spewing, rhetoric crying, all-bark-but-no-action person?! And you wonder why your relationships with sistahs are a failure.

The fact the even the most passionate defenders ot Tim Alexander's trash site wont support hime, says far more than what any rhetoric could ever do. "And it also explains why you are single."

That a snappy comeback that might impress women on the internet but it doesn't really accurately describe reality.

"The only thing obvious here is that you are that proverbial dog that's been hit and is now hollering."

Another inaccurate statement that emanates from from a feminised mind. Listen a person doesn't need to have been bitten by a dog to see what a raw deal messing with that dawg is. A person doesn't need to have been a victim of a particular group to complain about that group.

Using your logic only people who have been victims themselves would ever complain. But how many of the white people who marched with Martin Luther King were ever victims of Jim Crow laws? None! Yet they still saw what was wrong and complain about. This proves how illogical your points its just emotional shaming nonsense that real men who define there sense of self worth outside the approval they get from women don't engage in.


"Real men aren't scared of little words like 'deserve'."

Real men don't feel the world owes them anything and don't have the sense of entitlement modern AAW have.

"Real men understand that he is in charge of his destiny and his relationship. When men that call themselves "real" stop acting and start being real they understand how to control themselves in a manner where REAL WOMEN with no drama find them attractive. "

Well thats not the problem. Finding those kind of women is just far easier when you starts looking past AAW.

"Only those that behave shamefully are shamed by language from others."

Thats not even an clear response. You can't even respond intelligently to my points and you are just making things up so that you can have the last word and not appear to have backed down. You are and AAW aren't you?

"Forgive me if I'm wrong but there is only one type of woman, female. If you don't like those then I wish you the best of luck finding an alternative."

Yep you are definitely an AAW. Now you are using gay shaming tactics.

Nothing is going to get resolved here. SPN is not a woman. Wow you are dense and you are correct nothing will get resolved here so why do you keep posting. Seems like YOU just like to get the last word in. And don't worry you won't get a response from me regarding this because having an intelligent discussion with you is futile. If you don't like what people are saying on this site then guess what? Stop posting its as simple as that. "Truly amazes me to listen to grown ahzz men generalize and rationalize their failures and inadequacies by blaming our black women."

Hardly. Most men like me don't blame AAW for our failures. We blame them for their own and use those failures (out of wedlock kids, HIGH STD rate, the lack of upbringing they give to the kids they raise etc) to justify why they make poor choices for partners.

"If you believe so much in what he's doing, where's your financial contribution for support of his site? Or is it that you are quite another type of male; a man, only by genitals, but one that stands on no moral principle, reduced to nothing more than a venom spewing, rhetoric crying, all-bark-but-no-action person?! And you wonder why your relationships with sistahs are a failure."

Well you may need to reread some of these responses when you are less emotional because no one is defending him. Tim Alexander has more in common with the men on this site that he has in common with men like me. He is the ultimate defender of black women. He was the one calling for dialog with the women.

He went so far as to kick a large number of men who disagreed with his ass kissng off his site and turned it over to the women almost totally because like the men on this site he believes the best way to deal with a a woman is to grovel at her feet.

But this is the most important statement you have made DBlack:

"If you believe so much in what he's doing, where's your financial contribution for support of his site?"

Do you know why this statement is so important? It's important because on TA's site the women were the ones who said they believed in what he was doing. Those beautiful black women you talk about so much are the one's who said they had his back. Those AAW were the one's cheering him on. But as soon as he hit hard times they all disappeared.

And that is the overall point men like me make all the time. AAW will talk and talk about respect they have for men who defend them from men like me but in the end they won't be there for you. Tim Alexander is a prime example of that disloyalty and lack of character that men like me see and choose to keep on walking.

PS I am starting to believe that there are only women responding on this site since so many posters have so much difficulty debating without resorting to shaming tactics and over the top challenges to one's manhood. This is the typical way that AAW debate so I think I am on point. "SPN is not a woman."

He certainly debates and thinks like one (I don't know if he would take that as a compliment or not, probably would)

"Wow you are dense and you are correct nothing will get resolved here so why do you keep posting. Seems like YOU just like to get the last word in. And don't worry you won't get a response from me regarding this because having an intelligent discussion with you is futile. If you don't like what people are saying on this site then guess what? Stop posting its as simple as that."

You seem to have a problem with my OPINION.

Allow me to repost something you posted earlier.

"Everything on this site is someone's OPINION. People are entitled to discuss and provide their opinions on any topic because we do have the First Amendment "Freedom of Speech"."

Do you see why I call you a hypocrite? Let me answer that for you. Its because you are one. Call me what you want because you can but who's using shameless tactics now calling me a hypocrite. Seems like you can do without name calling and that seems to be what you have show yourself to be best at. Please by all means continue your baseless, factless verbal assault.

You state that SPN debates and thinks like a woman. Hardly the case and I can't sit by and let you denigrate someone who is an uncle to my kids and a wonderful father and husband. But I will point out this your arguments all seem to stem from some hurt point in your life with an AAW. If so then it is understandable why you are lumping an entire race of women in with a few bad apples. I will state again and let me repost this:

I've learned in the context of life that we all have our own opinions. Those people on the site are entitled to their opinions. People have bad experiences with anyone so I as a women don't take offense to what they have posted. I have plenty of friends that have interracial relationships. All black women are not bad, nor are women of other races all good. I feel this way if you limit yourself based on color you are closed minded but that's just my opinion. I've dated men of other races and I don't think any one is any better than any other. There may be some black women out there with emotional problems, and they need to deal with them but... black women in general are not bad at being women. That's just a generalization and a stereotype. But hey to each his own, those folks are entitled to their opinion and personally I don't care and I'm a women.

Why can’t people respect one another and their thoughts and ideals? Yes there are some women out there that can not stand for a black man to date a white woman. That is their issue and they will have to deal with it but to say that ALL Black women are this way is hypocrisy because there are just as many black men out there that don’t want to see a black woman with a man of another race. Truth be told, who cares who anyone is with, it is your choice who you or anyone else has a relationship with or date.

This is the same tired argument that has been going on for some time. If you don’t want angry women, then stop dating them! A man knows if a women is the one he wants to be with after 1 or 2 dates so if they are not the one, move on then and don’t dwell on whatever hang ups that person has. Why dedicate a site to such mindless dribble as this. No one is perfect, I nor anyone else has ran across a man or woman yet that doesn’t have their own skeletons in their closet and flaws in abundance.

There are problems with every race. No woman of any race is perfect. I’ve seen and heard other women of other races be angry as well with men no matter the race. It all comes down to what you want out of life. Be happy, move on if the person is not for you and stop perpetuating a cycle with the past mistakes of others. Learn from others mistakes as well as your own and drop this topic it’s old and does not need to continue to be rehashed because it only brings out the ignorance in those who are self loathing. That’s the only thing I can see for all of the comments on the site. The site is a person’s opinion which has manifested itself into an argument that has been going on for quite some time. I believe that’s what its purpose was and it has accomplished that. Those that are offended feel the need to speak up and out against it and I commend those who speak intelligently regarding this subject.

If you are offended then so be it, if you find what I'm saying as hypocritical then so be it but do not generalize and think that every black women is bad and has out of wedlock kids, HIGH STD rate, the lack of upbringing they give to the kids they raise etc, because that is simply not true and its a matter of opinion not fact. Mr Rob, you are the poster child of that which has ultimately destroyed the shameful TBM forum.

And you may want to spend more time evaluating your own logic before you share it with others....the same woman that you condemn for: out of wedlock children, STDs and 'the lack of upbringing' are in that situation because of the partner of the act; THE MAN. A woman can't get an STD by herself. It takes two to make a child and TWO to responsible as the FATHER and the MOTHER, from conception, to birth and throughout upbrining.

But if your manhood was intact, you would know better than to make such assanine comments. I feel very sorry for you. Another thing I want to point out is that many AAW are dating outside of their race because they are fed up with AAM discussing and generalizing them in this manner.

Statistics show that more Black women are dating White men. Black female/White male marriages went from 27,000 in 1980 to 80,000 by 2000, according to the U.S. Census Bureau.

The reason for this increase in more Black women dating White men may be attributed to educational attainment, says Renea D. Nichols-Nash, author of Coping With Interracial Dating.

The increase in interacial marriages has gone up since that time.

"A study revealed that the number of Black women earning degrees increased by 55 percent since the mid `70s, but 20 percent with men," says Nichols-Nash, a journalism professor at Arizona State University. "Women who go to college and graduate want someone with the same educational level or more.

Just to provide you with a statistic since you like to make factless comments and what I found most amusing is that AAM are still marrying AAW even though your comments state otherwise:


Married Couples in the United States in 2006

White husband
White Wife 50,224,000
Black Wife 117,000
Asian Wife 530,000
Other Wife 489,000

Black husband
White Wife 286,000
Black Wife 3,965,000
Asian Wife 6,000
Other Wife 23,000

Asian husband
White Wife 530,000
Black Wife 34,000
Asian Wife 2,493,000
Other Wife 41,000

Other husband
White Wife 489,000
Black Wife 45,000
Asian Wife 13,000
Other Wife 558,000

These are facts and you see how many AAM are STILL marrying AAW?

http://www.census.gov/population/www/socdemo/hh-fam/cps2006.html

This information is from the census bureau so looks like your argument doesn't hold water! "Call me what you want because you can but who's using shameless tactics now calling me a hypocrite. Seems like you can do without name calling and that seems to be what you have show yourself to be best at."

1. I don't recall calling you a hypocrite.

2. In life labels are important identifiers and some of them are very appropriate.

"Mr Rob, you are the poster child of that which has ultimately destroyed the shameful TBM forum."

No truer words have ever been spoken. If Tim Alexander had listened to men like me we would have supported him when he was in need. Instead he sold his soul to the women of his forum and now he is just another loser that black women used and tossed aside for sport another mangina who thought the women whose feet he groveled at would have his back. Oh how wrong he was.

"A woman can't get an STD by herself. It takes two to make a child and TWO to responsible as the FATHER and the MOTHER, from conception, to birth and throughout upbrining."

I could not agree more. Ultimately people choose who they want to eneter their lives and if you are choosing the type of men who are going to badword you and chuck you, the type of men who are riddled with STD's you have no reason to complain.

Women choose who they lay down with and if they come up with OOW kids and diseases they have no one to blame but themselves because women are the choosers. Unfortunately black women disproportionately chooser losers. We are not talking about a few women making mistakes. We are talking about a multi generational epidemic of African American men choosing to lay down with the most irresponsible men around and then wanting to blame others for their FAILURES.

When gamble on losers and end up a loser yourself don't blame anyone but yourself. Thats why msart black men like me take our own advice and avoid AAW like the plague. I don't want to end up having a child I only get to see once a month, I don't want to contract any STD's and I want my kids when I have them to have the best upbringing possible. All of that can be derailed if I choose the wrong woman. Every single ounce of that.

When I look around the children of AAW women are the one's I see disproportionately turning into the the type of monstrous kids I would never want.

A loser man will always be a loser man but unless she is raped not decent woman has any business having a child by such a man. The same goes for men like me who have any respect for themselves ad their seed. If you have children with losers it speaks volumes about your character.

"But if your manhood was intact, you would know better than to make such assanine comments."

If my manhood weren't intact I would actually take attacks on said manhood by people like you seriously. Alas I don't, thus it is. "Just to provide you with a statistic since you like to make factless comments and what I found most amusing is that AAM are still marrying AAW even though your comments state otherwise:"

When did I say MOST black men AREN'T marrying black women?

I dare you to show were made any such remark.

You must be pretty pathetic if you need to create strawmen just so you can knock them down.

Don't forget to show where I said "MOST black men AREN'T marrying black women", you know just to show that you aren't being intellectually dishonest or anything. Your words not mine:

"Most men like me don't blame AAW for our failures. We blame them for their own and use those failures (out of wedlock kids, HIGH STD rate, the lack of upbringing they give to the kids they raise etc) to justify why they make poor choices for partners. That is what AAW and their mangina defenders simply can't grasp. A lot of black men are just simply tired of the attitude when dealing with AAW.

Its gotten tedious and many men like me are tired of it. I don't need to search through a mountain of substandard black women just so I can have one when there are pleasant women all around me of other backgrounds. Black men are not obligated to give every black woman they see a chance before considering other options. Black men are always pressured ny other black men to limit their options yet no one ever pressures black women to modify their behavior. "

You make it seem like all AAW have STD's are raising kids alone and the cause of society's woes.

Didn't never say that you said that AAM weren't marrying AAW, I said I found it amusing that with all your ramblings there are facts to the contrary that AAM are still loving and being with AAW which is contrary to what you believe because AAW have so much attitude. Correct me if I'm wrong but you did state that Black men are tired of the attitude of AAW but if they are, why is the marriage rate so high amongst them? Can you answer that? No you can't because your arguments are baseless.

Amazing how when presented with cold hard facts you sure don't have much to say.

Just to clear this up since I know just to show that I'm not intellectually dishonest or anything, intelligent people research facts before they spout of useless inaccurate knowledge about a race /sex/class of people.

Again like we've all said before you can't let a few bad apples spoil the whole bunch.

You have no knowledge of my intellect so let's really not get into this because you would be surprised. You are not dealing with some uneducated woman here. I speak that which I know and for the things I don't know I research before I open my mouth or type inaccuracies. Another point Mr. Robb when making your arguments address the audience to whom you are speaking as you have alluded to my being a hypocrite, not Dblack.

Your words not mine: "Do you see why I call you a hypocrite? Let me answer that for you. Its because you are one."

Hence this is why I made the statement that you seem to not be able to refrain from your hypocrisies of name calling. The same thing you are proclaiming as a shameless tactic. "Didn't never say that you said that AAM weren't marrying AAW,"

Yes you did and I quote.

"Just to provide you with a statistic since you like to make factless comments and what I found most amusing is that AAM are still marrying AAW even though your comments state otherwise:"

Stop bactracking its just easier to admit that you are making up points so that you can claim small "victories"

"Correct me if I'm wrong but you did state that Black men are tired of the attitude of AAW but if they are, why is the marriage rate so high amongst them? Can you answer that? No you can't because your arguments are baseless."

Do you even know what the word "rate" means? There is not a high rate of black men marrying black women. If there were 70% of them wouldn't be single. That means that less than 30% of them are married to black men. There are more black men married to AAW women than any other group because people who get married tend to marry their own. That doesn't mean that the "rate" is high. The rate is actually quite low.

With respect to marriage black men are engaging in three types of behavior they are marrying black women , they are marrying non black women or they are choosing to remain single. When more than 70% of black men are NOT marrying black women (this includes the roughly 6-8% who are married to non black women and the ones who are staying single) how can any intelligent person say black men are marrying black women at a high rate? They can't.

Smart people don't make such illogical arguments.

If you said married black men are choosing black women at a high rate you would be correct. But that ignores the huge mass that is being rejected.

"You have no knowledge of my intellect so let's really not get into this because you would be surprised. You are not dealing with some uneducated woman here. I speak that which I know and for the things I don't know I research before I open my mouth or type inaccuracies."

When a person doesn't quite understand the meaning of the word "rate" it is clear their level of intelligence is. You are a gleaming proof that in AAW education is not the same as intelligence.

"Hence this is why I made the statement that you seem to not be able to refrain from your hypocrisies of name calling. "

I called you a hypocrite because I believe you to be one. You want to defend people's right to have an opinion when they agree with you, yet you want to chase people off when they don't.

That is called hypocrisy.

"The same thing you are proclaiming as a shameless tactic."

Its called a shaming tactic. You are an educated woman you should know that right? You know what Mr. Rob, you are ASSUMING that I am an AAW from your statement, I've never disclosed my race as that is not an issue here. But what I realize is that you keep using this 70% as the basis for your argument when there is no argument here.

You can believe what you choose to believe it doesn't make it correct, about me, about AAW in general because it all boils down to one thing its YOUR OPINION, and you are right, you are entitled to it. Trust me I understand the meaning of the word rate and I understand that I received my facts from the census bureau of which for your 70% you've provided no back up facts or documentation. Because you have none.

At first this argument was mildly entertaining but now it has gotten to be rather boorish with you basically repeating the same things over and over again just paraphrasing them another way. But never presenting any real basis for the points of this entire argument which leads me to my previous statement that you feel the need to get the last word in.

Fine if you do. I have no more time for troglodytic behavior. You have managed to bore me to the point of not wanting to read any more posts on this subject and I think I'm going to take my husband's advice and end this discussion and let you have the last word because that's what this will undoubtedly come too.

Have a nice life! "That a snappy comeback that might impress women on the internet but it doesn't really accurately describe reality."

You aren't experiencing reality. You live in some immature boyish AAW-haters-fantasy world.

"Another inaccurate statement that emanates from from a feminised mind. Listen a person doesn't need to have been bitten by a dog to see what a raw deal messing with that dawg is. A person doesn't need to have been a victim of a particular group to complain about that group."

All dogs don't bite. Some will bite unprovoked. They all have teeth and some will even allow you to shit on them if you abuse them enough. Like those abused dogs, you must want some woman weak of mind enough to accept you and your insecurities.

"Real men don't feel the world owes them anything and don't have the sense of entitlement modern AAW have."

First part true, second part is another basic over generalization. Yet you feel that AAW owe you some sort of coddling for your lack of self worth. Real men love themselves first and foremost. Once you love yourself the rest is all easy. The failures of many AAW should not be the reason you choose to denigrate and dismiss them all, yet you continue to force the failures of a few onto the entire set of AAW. That is immature and less than childish. I think you know that.

"... Finding those kind of women is just far easier when you starts looking past AAW."

A hypothesis you have yet to test. You should get busy and find a woman from a different group to test your views on. Once you find her will you come back and let us know all about it?

"... You are and AAW aren't you?"

Stop being stupid.

"Nothing is going to get resolved here."

I agree. That's the best thing you've written. Now go out there and get a life, son. The world of women is waiting for a guy just like you. "You know what Mr. Rob, you are ASSUMING that I am an AAW from your statement, I've never disclosed my race as that is not an issue here."

1. There is a difference between assuming and
deducing.

2. If you knew what the word meant you wouldn't have misused then built a flawed argument surrounding that misuse. "All dogs don't bite. Some will bite unprovoked. They all have teeth and some will even allow you to shit on them if you abuse them enough. Like those abused dogs, you must want some woman weak of mind enough to accept you and your insecurities."

This statement is nonsensical. How can a dog that has been abused be seen as having bitten without being provoked. You can't even make up appropriate comebacks with them falling apart.

"Yet you feel that AAW owe you some sort of coddling for your lack of self worth."

Where did I say anyone owes me anything? Please point out where I did. If not please stop constructing strawmen because you have no argument.

"Real men love themselves first and foremost. Once you love yourself the rest is all easy."

Yep. I agree completely. Thats why so many black men like me make the choices we do, and you can see the resultant effects on the BW in this country as it pertains to ability to find companionship.

"The failures of many AAW should not be the reason you choose to denigrate and dismiss them all, yet you continue to force the failures of a few onto the entire set of AAW."

Is it the failures of the many or the failures of the few? I think you know its many but want to pretend its the few. The high numbers of men foregoing AAW despite the abundance available of AAW Speaks volumes to all who wish to hear it.

"A hypothesis you have yet to test. You should get busy and find a woman from a different group to test your views on. Once you find her will you come back and let us know all about it?"

We are already way past that point. The majority of women in this country have been infected by the disease known as entitlement feminism some more so than others. This I have plenty of experience in. Like many black men it is simply just more pleasant engaging in simple conversation with the average non black woman in this country that with the average AAW.

There is nothing more pleasing to a man than the ability to engage woman in conversation in a relaxed and pleasant manner (especially when its a woman you have no romantic interest in). Men like femininity and love to have that around them even if only on a platonic level. Most black men don't get to enjoy that kind of exchange until they start to interact with non black women which is why so many black men are susceptible to the advances of non black women.

AAW have fallen down on the femininity scale by becoming harsh in their demeanor and vulgar in their speech. Yes i realize there are exceptions but they are just that exceptions.

But at the end of the day my views don't have to be justified the numbers concerning the relationship between BM and BW speak for themselves. Outstanding logic bombing, Mr. Rob.
Excellent!!!
Guess that'll keep them quiet for a while! Thanks for the support.

The truth has to be told about the men and women who are engaging in unseemly activity in our community. No I think it was more they grew tired of your incessant rantings and decided not to listen. I applaud them for not continuing a discussion with you. I think thats another way of saying that people have no response for the truth.

Eh. I posted on the Tired Black Man forum some. You can call me a "Tim Apologist" I guess...I'll touch on some of the obvious. Consider the tagline for the movie -
"Now it's black men's turn to exhale".

That of course should let anyone know the theme from the start. It also shows that women had THEIR turn beforehand. Now, the content matter that the black men are "exhaling" is considered offensive drivel to most and to NOT be tolerated.

I don't want to go into a "who started it first" argument cuz we'll never know and it wont help anything anyways. But if its a response on equal level of previous women's venting - if its a mirror reflection of sorts - wouldnt it indicate women were spewing some offensive venemous hate themselves then? Whats the difference really, that women have excellent authors like Terry McMillan help express it more artfully?

There's certainly things on the overall presentation of TBM to disagree with. It concretly over generalized with Black Man and Black Woman. It allowed hateful, vile, ugly and divise opinion to get expressed, making it look like an ego driven hate movement with no purpose. We know partly why that is - the broader the demographic, the more people who react, the more interest and potential revenue. Its just smart business really....

If you were to actually read deeper into the forum content, you can see there was a point to it and it touched on many subjects. It did deal in specific matters, and did try to whittle it down to involve just "those who it affects" and didnt paint the entire black population with one brush. Overwhelmingly positive? The most noblest of purposes? No. But when you VENT, you're not always venting on how beautiful the sky looks that day...

And lastly NO, Tim did not mortgage the sanctity of all black relations just for a cheap buck, thrill, or just to be provocative. I'm not saying this just to say it, to "justify" the actions of TBM - I feel he sincerley loves black women (and black people) with every fiber of his being. And might be the FIRST to help any black woman maybe even more than any of us here. But then feel compelled to give a them a lecture while doing it : P

Unfortunately TBM did invite "TiredBlackMan Masquerading as a Real Black Man" types. Such as Mr Rob here...

Mr Rob does NOT represent anything but justifying his frustrations and distancing from people with his "truths. Which he has rights to interpret truths how he sees it, but has NO SUBSTANCE behind. Excellent post SamB. You did a good of differentiating between men like myself and Tim Alexander. Unfortunately the people here don't care about the differences they just want hear that men are criticizing black women and then their ears close up. You are probably one of only three or four people on this thread who actually spent any time on TBM yet they all want to run their mouths about issues they have no grasp of.

What is most important about Tim Alexander is that he out his faith in the Black Women of his forum by alienating men like men yet now in his time of need ....where are they when he needs their support.

Thats the lessons that needs to be observed here. Us "TiredBlackMan " types supported him when he was getting criticised. But he like many others in this community thought that groveling at women's feet was the answer and like many others he paid the price for it. Yes it is true.

Tim Alexander thought he could "reason" with the "ladies".

He thought they would "come around" after listening to the good black men air their legitimate concerns.

But instead, and not suprisingly, the "ankles" took over his forum and turned it into a farce.

Live and learn... Good work Mr.Rob!

Let the example of Tim Alexander be a wake up call to all men and women in our community. Simps of a feather...burn together...with their shabby, unglorious 'queens' and mangina-ized royal guards. Funny, how the 'truly-weak-ones' jump to the defense of those that view them as 'prey', or worse,
'supplimentary-discretionary-income-with-a-pulse,' only to 'come-to' and 'man-up' when it's their turn to be squatted on.

Just for a sniff of it...
MMMmmm. Let me sniff of it...
here's my wallet, my car keys, my bank account, my pension, my DNA, my freedom.

MMMmmm.

Hope it's worth it, suckers.

The jig is up on the 'females' and the games they play. I think the site is horrible...I as a strong black woman...yes and I damned proud to be just that! I am offended by some ignorant man (which what I have seen has not mentioned who he is nor his name) is out there putting in young/old black males heads that black women need to be put back into their place and be tamed. What kind of foolishness is this? I really have a problem when he uses the Bible to support his idiotic antics. I don't ever reading in the Bible that women are to be enslaved by their husbands! I do recall seeing that women are to be a HELP MATE! It's not a black woman’s fault that black men have chosen to go the paths they have chosen. So how dare some anonymous man blame us for what seems to be lack of direction. Then he blames single mothers for raising momma boys, well guess …what the heck was she suppose to do when the DADDY isn’t around to be a positive role model for their own sons’? She does the best that she can do! Damn he is talking like a double edged sword! For if she did not raise her sons (because she has no father for her son(s)) then she would be some horrible person for that. So he has no right putting down a black woman, simply because she likes to dye her hair, wants something more than sitting around waiting for some man to decide that she is worth his time and do right by her, because she has a mind and wants to use it, and she has made her own way. He should be proud that black women are moving up and doing positive things in their lives. He comes across as if he is jealous, maybe he intimidated by the strength and power of the black woman. He seems like he is upset that black men or any other man for that matter do not have the upper hand like they did in the past; you know when men slapped black women around and treated black women like the old saying goes…”be seen and not heard” type of craziness. He knows that now that idiocy will not be taken nor will it go on…so that’s why I feel he has issues with black women and their success! "he blames single mothers for raising momma boys, well guess …what the heck was she supposed to do when the DADDY isn’t around to be a positive role model for their own sons’?"

AnnG,
Why are so many unmarried black women choosing to make out of wedlock babies with losers and thugs? I mean, it's not like these loser black men are raping them. Why can't black women make better choices in the men they pick or at least use contraception?

Why do so many black women prefer "bad boys" instead of decent black men?